Gamemode 4 Labs - beacon-cores

Chopper2112 24-Nov-18 09:36 PM

hi

iGalaxy 24-Nov-18 09:36 PM

Chopper2112 24-Nov-18 09:38 PM

Which way should we make this anti-phantom item thing function?

Only with a beacon - Kills/stops all phantoms in the local area

Only with a passive inventory item - Kills/stops/weakens phantoms for the holder

Both!

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vote pls thx

Giovata 24-Nov-18 09:40 PM

by beacon, do you mean an actual beacon block?

Chopper2112 24-Nov-18 09:40 PM

yes

on which you throw item(s) to make it then a Phantom Beacon or something and then it stops phantoms

Lue 24-Nov-18 09:41 PM

there's not really a way to stop phantoms per player (edited)

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killing is a bit OP

really should only be with a beacon

stopping, that is, not killing (edited)

Chopper2112 24-Nov-18 09:41 PM

yeah I would rather do the beacon option only (edited)

this is what I have for the 'crafting' so far, but the recipe is up for discussion https://streamable.com/4fijk

2018-11-24 16-23-00 - Streamable

Lue 24-Nov-18 09:51 PM

notch apple is kind of uncreative if you ask me

federick 24-Nov-18 09:51 PM

how many bugs in those 3 commands @Chopper2112 XD (edited)

Chopper2112 24-Nov-18 09:51 PM

I agree akr

@federick setting up the gm4 template/clocks and stuff took me like 3 hours but the beacon stuff went pretty smoothly

actually it's 6 commands (3 of which are sounds/particles) (edited)

Chopper2112 24-Nov-18 10:23 PM

- Changed the recipe to be 8 phantom membranes and elytra - Drops a 0 durability elytra if the beacon is destroyed - Phantoms in a 40-block radius of the active beacon will be teleported to the void - Added an advancement https://gyazo.com/7df8d86c589549e0579284c514b3b513

Gyazo

I guess the module is done unless anyone has other suggestions for something to add/change. Still not sure about the recipe

Probably should change the module name to Phantom Beacon or something else since there's no stone involved with this current version, if this is the version we are sticking with

federick 24-Nov-18 11:05 PM

use custom crafters

not item dropping

also make it get increased depending on the pyramid @Chopper2112

Diamondback88 24-Nov-18 11:12 PM

I agree with both of federick's points

BluePsychoRanger 24-Nov-18 11:14 PM

why a custom crafter exactly? There's no reason an item should be made, right?

Diamondback88 24-Nov-18 11:14 PM

@Chopper2112 do you currently just have to throw 8 phantom membranes and an elytra on the beacon?

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federick 24-Nov-18 11:17 PM

it could be kind of like a blast furnace @BluePsychoRanger

BluePsychoRanger 24-Nov-18 11:18 PM

So use a custom crafter, and include a beacon inside the crafting recipe, then it turns into a beacon? (edited)

federick 24-Nov-18 11:18 PM

yes

BluePsychoRanger 24-Nov-18 11:18 PM

I like that idea actually

@Chopper2112 ^

Chopper2112 24-Nov-18 11:35 PM

No I would rather this be a modifier instead of an entirely new beacon block

They can add this to an existing beacon and also use the beacon like normal

I can make the radius increase based on level though

(edited)

federick 24-Nov-18 11:38 PM

but it's inconsistent

Diamondback88 24-Nov-18 11:38 PM

How?

Chopper2112 24-Nov-18 11:38 PM

^

Gonna be honest, making it a crafting recipe and a new block and a part of the custom crafting module will complicate this module, and I'm not sure exactly how I would do this. The intent is to make a balanced, useful module to help with the phantom problem. With the crafting how it is now, I think this purpose is met (edited)

federick 24-Nov-18 11:41 PM

There are so many ways of crafting

Chopper2112 24-Nov-18 11:42 PM

And floor crafting is one of them

federick 24-Nov-18 11:42 PM

CCs, Metallurgy, dropping in another block

Dropping in another blocks are usually the ones that add a GUI

like Ender Hoppers

or Liquid Tanks

And so that just doesn't fit...

Chopper2112 24-Nov-18 11:44 PM

I can make the phantom stone a crafted item and then that needs to be thrown on the beacon

Diamondback88 24-Nov-18 11:46 PM

I see what he's saying about CC's though

Adding it to the CC module would require many more tags and commands

Chopper2112 24-Nov-18 11:47 PM

I feel like I'm more likely to screw something up if I involve more modules/existing GM4 features

In the current version it works perfectly and this custom crafter idea seems more of a preference than a much needed addition. I agree that if it's more consistent then it's better, but is it worth it?

Chopper2112 24-Nov-18 11:59 PM

Radius of the beacon's anti-phantom effect now increases by 15 blocks for each level added to the beacon's base, starting at 30 and maxing out at 75 blocks. So a full beacon should be able to cover most or all of a town (edited)

Diamondback88 25-Nov-18 12:10 AM

Is it ready for submission?

Chopper2112 25-Nov-18 12:11 AM

Currently trying to see if I can get a phantom stone recipe working in the custom crafter, after that works or doesn't work it should be ready I guess

Diamondback88 25-Nov-18 12:11 AM

Ok

Chopper2112 25-Nov-18 12:33 AM

https://streamable.com/yn3hv

2018-11-24 19-32-09 - Streamable

this look good?

iGalaxy 25-Nov-18 01:00 AM

"Energy Drink" - decreases your insomnia level without having to sleep, crafted by putting a water bottle, glowstone, and phantom membrane in a crafting table (could be part of this module cuz it involves stopping phantoms, idk it was just an idea that popped into my head)

Chopper2112 25-Nov-18 01:14 AM

I like this idea and would add it, except I'm not sure if you can actually control a player's insomnia level

Anyone know the answer to that?

iGalaxy 25-Nov-18 01:14 AM

Isn't insomnia stored in NBT of the player or something

Chopper2112 25-Nov-18 01:15 AM

I believe so, but I don't think you can actually edit player nbt

https://gyazo.com/d1d97bc169757634ade6d5fcd5b536f0

Gyazo

iGalaxy 25-Nov-18 01:15 AM

oof

SleepTimer: The number of ticks the player had been in bed. No effect.

yeah its in player nbt

Chopper2112 25-Nov-18 01:16 AM

that isn't insomnia tho

that's just how long a player is inside their bed xD (edited)

iGalaxy 25-Nov-18 01:16 AM

oh

Chopper2112 25-Nov-18 01:17 AM

I looked through the rest of the nbt and couldn't find a tag for insomnia, but I probably missed it. Either way don't think it can be edited sadly

and also I doubt it would be practical on GM4 since anyone can just carry a bed or sleep in their base

iGalaxy 25-Nov-18 01:17 AM

Maybe set Sleeping to 1 to make Minecraft think they've slept

good point @Chopper2112

Chopper2112 25-Nov-18 01:17 AM

Still unable to do that, I get the same error

iGalaxy 25-Nov-18 01:18 AM

oof

Chopper2112 25-Nov-18 01:18 AM

pretty sad tho, I'd like to make something like that xD

iGalaxy 25-Nov-18 01:18 AM

yeah

Chopper2112 25-Nov-18 01:18 AM

this beacon thing is the most practical way to "stop" phantoms I guess

iGalaxy 25-Nov-18 01:19 AM

yeah

EnderSlime_123 25-Nov-18 01:20 AM

@Chopper2112 Every phantom being teleported could have a small particle before its tped.

iGalaxy 25-Nov-18 01:20 AM

I was thinking of a module similar to yours where it would stop the effects of desire lines in a 40 block radius of a beacon if you put a "Nature Core" on top of it but I dont think players would like it

EnderSlime_123 25-Nov-18 01:20 AM

^

Chopper2112 25-Nov-18 01:21 AM

The phantoms do leave their particles when teleported, but it's almost impossible to see against the black sky. If you're specifically staring at the sky you might be able to spot it, but I don't think anyone would do that xD

iGalaxy 25-Nov-18 01:21 AM

for weakened phantoms you should put particles around them

or just the default weakness effect particles i guess

Chopper2112 25-Nov-18 01:22 AM

the phantoms aren't weakened, they're just teleported out of existence

increasing the beacon's pyramid levels will increase the radius of this effect (edited)

iGalaxy 25-Nov-18 01:22 AM

ah

Chopper2112 25-Nov-18 01:23 AM

I guess I could make it that way if the admins think this is too OP, but for the cost of this it seems like a fair trade

Chopper2112 25-Nov-18 01:34 AM

Module is done I guess

anyone want to test it out on their own world to make sure it works?

iGalaxy 25-Nov-18 01:35 AM

sure

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iGalaxy 25-Nov-18 01:50 AM

back

Chopper2112 25-Nov-18 04:00 AM

I submitted this to the github, probably did something wrong tho as I've never submitted a module before

kyrkis 25-Nov-18 04:08 AM

oh this module is done already?

Diamondback88 25-Nov-18 04:57 AM

This module is a great remedy for public events

Because if 1 person doesn't sleep and comes to an event, everyone's at risk

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Chopper2112 25-Nov-18 05:08 AM

Maybe this channel should be renamed to phantom-beacons for consistency

CBEngineer 25-Nov-18 06:14 AM

Killing the phantom outright seems OP to me and uninterestimg

Maybe change it to damage or weaken the phantom. (?)

iGalaxy 25-Nov-18 06:28 AM

Maybe tier 1 beacon is weaken, 2-3 damage, 4-5 kill (radius of effect increases too)

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Chopper2112 25-Nov-18 01:54 PM

yeah it might be changed depending on the admin's feedback (edited)

Supersette 25-Nov-18 06:39 PM

dab

iGalaxy 25-Nov-18 07:35 PM

~~Bug: Phantom beacon stays active even if the beacon itself is no longer active~~ (edited)

nvm, it doesnt kill phantoms but the beacon still has particles

Chopper2112 25-Nov-18 07:41 PM

that's to identify it's a phantom beacon

so, works as intended

Noah 25-Nov-18 07:48 PM

Oh yeah, do you want me to make a Phantom Beacon icon?

https://gm4.co/modules/ like the ones on here

BluePsychoRanger 25-Nov-18 07:54 PM

@Noah you are welcome to make an icon, but Duck is in charge of module icons, so if the module is accepted, the module icon will be remade by Duck, though he'll probably take the courtesy of using yours as a starting point.

Noah 25-Nov-18 07:55 PM

Ah, alright

Diamondback88 26-Nov-18 01:37 AM

Pinned a message.

Sparks 26-Nov-18 08:58 PM

In general really like this idea. I'll give feedback directly on the git.

Elytra might be a bit too expensive for the recipe.

Chopper2112 26-Nov-18 09:26 PM

I'll take a look when I get home

Kroppeb 26-Nov-18 09:36 PM

Sparks' review: https://github.com/Gamemode4Dev/GM4_Datapacks/pull/116#pullrequestreview-178511223

Sparks 26-Nov-18 09:39 PM

Before you go crazy making changes bear in mind other admins may disagree with me XD

Unless you personally like a suggestion I had and want to make it work that way.

Chopper2112 26-Nov-18 10:13 PM

I like the suggestions I'll make the box check change since I doubt any of the admins will be against that, as well as the slowly damaging phantoms & custom crafting fix. I'm not sure about the damaging all hostile mobs idea. This would be a cool and useful addition, but it does seem pretty OP, especially if the crafting recipe becomes cheaper. I'll wait on more feedback before making this change, but it's a cool idea

(edited)

federick 26-Nov-18 10:17 PM

Maybe like mobs that spawned there

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Chopper2112 26-Nov-18 10:18 PM

I doubt very many mobs will be wandering into the radius that spawned outside

federick 26-Nov-18 10:19 PM

Well it would be for mob farms

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Chopper2112 26-Nov-18 10:19 PM

I don't think mobs killed by the beacon would drop loot/xp

federick 26-Nov-18 10:19 PM

True

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Chopper2112 26-Nov-18 10:38 PM

@federick's idea is that we make a core for each hostile mob that could naturally spawn, and you can put that on the beacon to make it then kill that mob. But a beacon could only hold a maximum of three cores

I'll do this and see how it works

federick 26-Nov-18 10:39 PM

Holds Depending on level*

=P

Supersette 26-Nov-18 10:40 PM

so not only phantoms?

no

bad idea

would be overpowered

federick 26-Nov-18 10:40 PM

No it isnt as you have 3x more to craft (edited)

Supersette 26-Nov-18 10:40 PM

but once u have it

Chopper2112 26-Nov-18 10:40 PM

It would only target: Zombies Spiders Skeletons Phantoms Endermen Creepers Strays Zombies maybe I forgot some others idk

Supersette 26-Nov-18 10:40 PM

ur good

guardians? (edited)

Chopper2112 26-Nov-18 10:41 PM

Nah, conduits

federick 26-Nov-18 10:43 PM

This seems like a reversed soul probes now xD

Chopper2112 26-Nov-18 11:15 PM

should there also be a zombie villager core?

BluePsychoRanger 26-Nov-18 11:49 PM

So this module will turn into a "Beacon Cores" module to damage other hostile mobs based on the core(s) in a beacon

Chopper2112 26-Nov-18 11:50 PM

correct

BluePsychoRanger 26-Nov-18 11:50 PM

Yes, time to change the channel name for the third time!

Chopper2112 26-Nov-18 11:50 PM

and all of the IDs/comments/descriptions/titles in the code!

BluePsychoRanger 26-Nov-18 11:50 PM

omg xD

I forgot about that, rip

@Chopper2112 the "site_categories" in the pack.mcmeta Would be "custom_crafters" because it would be a reliant module. (It wouldn't get it's own category; there's only 2 categories atm). https://gm4.co/modules/ Also the video link should link to the accidentalgames (or maybe gm4official) channel, cuz there's no video yet

Chopper2112 26-Nov-18 11:56 PM

Supersette 27-Nov-18 12:53 AM

to kill or trap the villager zombie? @Chopper2112

Chopper2112 27-Nov-18 12:53 AM

kill

Supersette 27-Nov-18 01:19 AM

why would you kill those... they’re useful

just categorise then as zombies if that is

Chopper2112 27-Nov-18 01:21 AM

I was just asking if they should be killed (edited)

currently they aren't

Sparks 27-Nov-18 01:24 AM

If there is no video, the video link should be left blank

That will stop a video link appearing on the site until a video is added

Chopper2112 27-Nov-18 01:25 AM

fixed

Chopper2112 27-Nov-18 02:14 AM

Updates so far: - Area of effect of the beacon's hostile-mob-killing stuff is now a box, starting at 33x33x33 and maxing out at 201x201x201 as the beacon levels are increased - Mob cores for the 8 primary overworld hostile mobs have been added and function correctly. Breaking a beacon drops the cores in it - The beacon now gives instant damage or instant health to mobs that it has the core of. It takes on average 3-4 "pulses" to kill a mob, a pulse being once every 3 seconds - The number of cores a beacon can hold is dependent on its levels. A level one (3x3) beacon holds at most two cores, and this increases by two for each level added (max of 8 at the highest level) - All of the IDs/names/etc of the module have been changed to Beacon Cores from Phantom Beacons - If the beacon pyramid levels are broken and the beacon's max core capacity goes below the actual number of cores it holds, the beacon block will break. This prevents people from exploiting this to make an 8-core beacon and then take back most of the resources to use for something else. (edited)

@Diamondback88 can you change this channel to #beacon-cores?

Diamondback88 27-Nov-18 02:20 AM

Oui

Chopper2112 27-Nov-18 09:23 PM

If anyone has final suggestions for this, I recommend suggesting them now as this module is pretty much done otherwise I still could use ideas for recipes for each of the cores. My idea rn is 8 of the mob's drop plus one other item but I don't know what it could be

Misode 27-Nov-18 09:24 PM

Is this module going to be extendable?

federick 27-Nov-18 09:24 PM

I dont think it could easily be expandable

Chopper2112 27-Nov-18 09:26 PM

Not sure what you mean by extendable

If you mean adding extensions such as OTHER beacon changes, possibly, but I have no ideas currently for that

Misode 27-Nov-18 09:27 PM

This is more than just phantom damaging right? Because the name changed to beacon cores

Chopper2112 27-Nov-18 09:27 PM

Yes

federick 27-Nov-18 09:27 PM

yes mobs

that spawn normally

Chopper2112 27-Nov-18 09:27 PM

All 8 primary Overworld hostile surface mobs

~~and players named federick90~~

federick 27-Nov-18 09:29 PM

it could be really cool to make it be more than just mobs in the future

BluePsychoRanger 27-Nov-18 09:29 PM

Chopper, you could use a system similar to the custom crafters recipe_check to make it expandable in the future

federick 27-Nov-18 09:29 PM

Like crops go faster

@BluePsychoRanger it's harder than that since it needs to drop the items also

BluePsychoRanger 27-Nov-18 09:30 PM

If you send me the datapack, I could modify it for you to make it expandable in the future

Kroppeb 27-Nov-18 11:34 PM

Or you use git like normal civilized people

federick 28-Nov-18 01:27 PM

What do you think of this recipe?

Chopper2112 28-Nov-18 01:32 PM

federick 28-Nov-18 03:13 PM

It's testing time

Attachment: gm4_beacon_cores.zip (18.16 KB)

Changelog: - Removed about 24 @e's running on main function (Now it's 2!) - Added recipes for every core, following the CC standards - Not relying on display Name tag but on a custom item tag now

Phantom core recipe example

Lue 28-Nov-18 03:20 PM

Why the wither head

federick 28-Nov-18 03:21 PM

Because the elytra is too expensive and I thought this was a fair trade off imo

Lue 28-Nov-18 03:21 PM

Alright

federick 28-Nov-18 03:21 PM

Mmm should there be nether mobs?

Lue 28-Nov-18 03:21 PM

I would consider using a "nether star fragment"

I.e. can break a nether star into three (edited)

federick 28-Nov-18 03:22 PM

that's basically a wither skull XD

Lue 28-Nov-18 03:22 PM

Fits the beacon core theme a bit better

And is the same rarity

federick 28-Nov-18 03:22 PM

Should there be nether mobs?

Wait I just noticed zombie villager is a thing

Lue 28-Nov-18 03:24 PM

Nether mobs? Pigmen cuz they invade through nether portals.

But that's it

federick 28-Nov-18 03:28 PM

I'm not really sure if it's worth making an husk core instead of using zombie

BluePsychoRanger 28-Nov-18 03:36 PM

-If the marker armor stand is not going to be used for visuals(ie. items in inventory slots), then it should be replaced with an Area Effect Cloud -The loot_tables folder is unnecessary, as there is already "minecraft:empty" -main.mcfunction should use #beacon_cores:check_core and #beacon_cores:beacon in order to make it expandable in the future -add a tags folder in beacon_cores and add 2 files for check_core.json and beacon.json, directing those into the function files beacon_cores:check_core and beacon_cores:beacon respectively. This will allow for other modules to use the #beacon_cores:check_core #beacon_cores:beacon tags in possible expansions.

federick 28-Nov-18 03:38 PM

minecraft:empty can be overwritten by another datapack

so it's not really reliable

BluePsychoRanger 28-Nov-18 03:38 PM

okay, why would anybody rewrite minecraft:empty. That'd be kinda stupid, but I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Add the compatibility to add expansions though

federick 28-Nov-18 03:39 PM

That's true, but it's still a possibility

@Chopper2112

I will add expansions but I dont really feel like doing AEC xD

BluePsychoRanger 28-Nov-18 03:44 PM

Why not, do you have something against them? The fact that they technically don't last forever?

federick 28-Nov-18 03:45 PM

yes

BluePsychoRanger 28-Nov-18 03:45 PM

That's fair

Misode 28-Nov-18 03:49 PM

Federick if some other datapack overwrites minecraft:empty is their fault. I've never seen a datapack do that (edited)

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federick 28-Nov-18 03:50 PM

me neither xD

Better be safe than sorry tho

But I can change it

Lue 28-Nov-18 03:51 PM

if someone wants to overwrite minecraft:empty clearly they want to change the meaning of "empty"

so it's fine

federick 28-Nov-18 04:02 PM

It rotates everytime it fires

Compsogbrickus 28-Nov-18 04:04 PM

nice

BluePsychoRanger 28-Nov-18 04:04 PM

Nice, you made the armor stand useful

federick 28-Nov-18 04:05 PM

shhh they won't know that

BluePsychoRanger 28-Nov-18 04:05 PM

haha

federick 28-Nov-18 04:33 PM

Updated one without the stray and husk cores (still haven't done the tag thing)

Attachment: gm4_beacon_cores.zip (18.35 KB)

Also I've made sure you can put the cores even when two beacons are next to each other (edited)

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Sparks 28-Nov-18 05:17 PM

I wouldn't be against strays and husks just coming under zombie and skeleton cores. They're basically just variants of that mob, right?

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federick 28-Nov-18 05:45 PM

yea thats what I thought (edited)

BluePsychoRanger 28-Nov-18 06:17 PM

What about drowneds tho? Technically a zombie variant, but conduits deal with them anyways

federick 28-Nov-18 06:19 PM

I would just leave them untouched and keep the conduit for underwater mobs

BluePsychoRanger 28-Nov-18 06:20 PM

Yeah that’s what I was thinking

Chopper2112 28-Nov-18 11:09 PM

The new version of Beacon Cores has been updated on GitHub

BluePsychoRanger 28-Nov-18 11:32 PM

So no expansion support?

Chopper2112 28-Nov-18 11:33 PM

@federick?

federick 29-Nov-18 01:12 PM

Why do I need to do everything

Chopper2112 29-Nov-18 01:14 PM

because I don't know how it should be done

(edited)

Chopper2112 30-Nov-18 01:26 AM

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ez7jdyId4ZeEPNPVulfX46FpZvB1K-Q1cJWZdK8llLw/edit?usp=sharing

Beacon Cores Module

GM4 Module: Beacon Cores Created by Chopper2112 & federick90 Summary Beacon Cores is a Gamemode 4 Module created in the Gamemode 4 Labs Discord server. The idea was created by Chopper2112, and the code developed by Chopper2112 and federick90. Beacon Cores are used on a ...

BluePsychoRanger 30-Nov-18 01:30 AM

There's an error for the creeper core

Chopper2112 30-Nov-18 01:32 AM

Kroppeb 30-Nov-18 10:37 AM

Use cathairs

EnderSlime_123 01-Dec-18 07:10 PM

@BluePsychoRanger Nether Core?

BluePsychoRanger 01-Dec-18 07:11 PM

What? Why are you pinging me specifically? I'm not even working on this module

Chopper2112 01-Dec-18 07:38 PM

I'm not sure what a nether core would do?

BluePsychoRanger 01-Dec-18 07:45 PM

Beacons don't necessarily work in the nether, unless bedrock is broken or it's placed above the bedrock

Lue 01-Dec-18 07:45 PM

incorrect

beacon beams go through bedrock

but they can't go through netherrack (edited)

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BluePsychoRanger 01-Dec-18 07:46 PM

oh really?

Lue 01-Dec-18 07:49 PM

ya once mojang realized ordinary players were breaking bedrock or going above the bedrock just to place beacons they made that change (edited)

they don't want ordinary players to feel forced to abuse bugs (edited)

BluePsychoRanger 01-Dec-18 07:52 PM

haha nice, I didn't know that :p

Sparks 08-Dec-18 03:24 PM

Beacon cores is looking really nice

I might be being too picky here because I know block compressors has this issue

but I don't like that two of these expensive cores could be eaten and and one can be thrown and lost.

My suggestion would be custom skulls as the core items.

Chopper2112 08-Dec-18 03:25 PM

I can do that

Sparks 08-Dec-18 03:26 PM

Maybe @Duck would be up for doing the textures unless another artist would like to do it?

I'm imagining a glass crystal with a smoky colour representing the mob type inside. Purple, white, light green, grey, dark green and red maybe.

federick 08-Dec-18 03:36 PM

Do you have a reference image?

Sparks 08-Dec-18 03:36 PM

nope

it's just a suggestion anyway. Still waiting for general module feedback from Special and Blue on the module.

Haha come to think of it I guess the rememberall from Harry Potter is kinda similar to what I was thinking. https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/harrypotter/images/6/6b/Tumblr_n1wf8hUVYf1qg4gkko4_250.gif/revision/latest?cb=20140502010946

Huh. Gif doesn't play.

Duck 08-Dec-18 03:50 PM

Hmm yeah I could do that

Chopper2112 23-Dec-18 04:40 PM

@Duck are you working on making textures for the cores?

Duck 27-Jan-19 02:43 PM

I completely forgot about this

Anyone got a skull template?

ToffeeMax 27-Jan-19 02:45 PM

Sparks 30-Jan-19 09:52 AM

@Duck I think this module birthed Phantom Turrets and I don't think Blue wants this one as well as that.

Unfortunately. It's a really cool module but I can see where he's coming from.

Compsogbrickus 30-Jan-19 12:48 PM

Phantom Turrets is rather underpowered compared to this module though...

Misode 30-Jan-19 12:56 PM

And Phantom Scarecrows is already overpowered imo

Compsogbrickus 30-Jan-19 01:09 PM

It is? If you sleep enough, it's completely useless. And unless you build a flying machine, you'll be attacked by phantoms outside your base

I guess that applies to this module too though

I also do appreciate how much work Phantom Scarecrows took, but I think this is way more balanced than that

ShadowSlam 30-Jan-19 04:03 PM

Didn't Blue say he did it in a couple commands?

Chopper2112 31-Jan-19 01:50 AM

This module is not really just about phantoms anymore

I get how the two can kind of conflict, but there are definitely differences

Compsogbrickus 31-Jan-19 01:36 PM

I don't think it's valid to close this because Phantom Scarecrows exists. Phantom Scarecrows is a much weaker and cheaper module. This module requires that you have a beacon. It's sort of like saying: "We don't need blast furnaces, furnaces already exist."

Misode 31-Jan-19 01:39 PM

Didn't the idea for this module originally come from defending to phantoms?

Compsogbrickus 31-Jan-19 01:40 PM

Yes but that's not relevant at this point

Misode 31-Jan-19 01:41 PM

I mean kinda

Compsogbrickus 31-Jan-19 01:41 PM

I mean, Blast Furnaces didn't use to double chorus, right?

Misode 31-Jan-19 01:41 PM

Modules address a problem, and I feel like this got off track

And it got too OP imo

Compsogbrickus 31-Jan-19 01:42 PM

alright, I guess I can agree to that

can someone move this to archived?

Chopper2112 31-Jan-19 01:55 PM

It got OP because of Sparks suggestions* (edited)